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So, I did a countdown and a reverse count down মতামত to see if the results would be the same. Well....... just read to find out.

Here is how the accuracy results work. If আপনি are 11 on the Reverse Countdown, they receive 1 point, since they are the least disliked, but if they are 1st on the Reverse Countdown, আপনি receive 11 points since they are the most disliked. After the results, I'll add up the total results to find out who is the actual favorite.

Reverse Countdown Results/ Countdown Results

1. Belle (+11 point)/Merida (+1 points)
I found this strange, because মুলান won the পূর্ববর্তি countdown (the one that tallied up the ranks), so it was clear that this তালিকা was going to be very different. What people liked about her is that she does not judge people দ্বারা their looks, and judges a person দ্বারা the inside. They also liked the fact that she is so mature, classy, and nice.

- She is my শীর্ষ princess because she looks inside of a person and not the outside, as they say looks can be deceiving! I also প্রণয় her maturity and loyalty, plus she is a bookworm like me! Belle is such a princess দ্বারা heart! (GreatLance_30)
- I প্রণয় Her! she is so kind and gentle like a princess should be :-) (gail_06


Not surprising at all. She was last place in the ranking countdown, and from her inclusion into the ডিজনি Princess lineup, this was bound to happen. People ব্যক্ত that they did not like the fact that she was becoming a ডিজনি Princess, and thought that she was an extremely bad role model; being selfish, wanting to change her mom, etc.

- Since the প্রশ্ন is "princess" and not "character", I think I can safely chose her, since I still don't consider her a ডিজনি Princess and I don't think that she is a good example of one. (Swanpride)
- Even when she joins, I´ll never consider her as a princess. (CodyVenusTrent)


2. Ariel (+10 points)/Snow White (+2 points)
This is not shocking, as she is one of the most জনপ্রিয় princesses everywhere. What people like about her is that she is adventurous, rebellious, fun, exciting, determined to follow her dreams, proactive and challenges people to try new things. They liked how she did not take anything from her father, and that she was such a strong character.

- Sigh, I wish I could choose Ariel, Rapunzel and মুলান all together. Anyhow, I প্রণয় Ariel for being imaginative, proactive and standing up for what she belives despite the misguided prejudices of the society অথবা her own father. Challenging people আপনি have no bonds অথবা emotional connections with is admirable but it's even আরো poignant to be able to challenge someone close to আপনি and expose them to new perspectives and make them reconsider their outlooks.
- She's my সেকেন্ড favorite! Ariel is so fun and exciting! Fintastic! (GreatLance_30)


The original ডিজনি Princess is not very জনপ্রিয় on Fanpop, অথবা with people above the age of 10, but she is the original princess, so she will always be remembered. Even though she is the 1st ডিজনি Princess, she did not age as well as the other characters because she is very.... 1930s. They ব্যক্ত that she is too naive, baby-ish, and passive; practically the typical woman in the 30's. They just liked the আরো modern princesses more.

- Not because I dislike her but because of my fair indifference to her and the fact that she is too baby-ish and one dimentional. (maryksand)
- I just like the others better. (Angelica_AW)


3. Rapunzel (+9 points)/Aurora (+3 points)
Not a surprise either. When she first came into the scene a বছর and a half ago, she became wildly popular, and easily became a classic character and princess, becoming a hit with little and older girls alike. What people like about her is that she is relatable, nice, caring, generous, selfless, sweet, and innocent. They liked that she is a good role model.

- I'm becoming so attached to Rapunzel. I honestly প্রণয় her, her movie is দ্বারা far my favorite, and she's a close সেকেন্ড on my পছন্দ princess list. (dclairmont)
- I প্রণয় both but seriously Rapunzel so much আরো (KataraLover)


She has always been one of the least পছন্দ princesses, and it is easy to see why. Her (like Snow White) is very old fashioned (which is not very good). She is very passive, wants a prince to save her, wants to clean, etc. What people ব্যক্ত about her is that she is extremely bland and overrated, as she just sings i the forest, cries in her bed, gets out to sleep, happily ever after. Some were mad that Snow White got eliminated before she did.

- Leave already! her personality is so stretched and over exaggerated. She is not smart, creative, অথবা any of that stuff that she is claimed to be for the heck of claiming good things about a classic DP. Unfortunately, it is a crime to not re consider everything bad about the classics because they are the classics. i Honestly don't care about what other people say. what do আপনি expect in a princess? beauty (though I also think she isn't very pretty), hair of sunshine gold, an obedient girl, she respects her elders, does all her chores, wishes for a prince, walks gracefully, never slouches অথবা bends over, is a great singer, a great dancer, a dreamer, get's awaken দ্বারা true love's kiss, unexpectedly meets her prince, I can go on! way too generic, predictable, cliché, and is just not fun to watch. Only some অনুরাগী don't mention her beauty, while a lot do. (shanyuisboss)
- Come on, Snow White is WAY better than Aurora. (KataraLover)



4. মুলান (+8 points)/Ariel (+4 points)
Ever since মুলান came out in 1998, she was well-liked, but was never one of the পছন্দ princesses, until Recently. She won the ranking countdown, but only got 4th পছন্দ princess according to this countdown. I guess she is one of the favorites, but never THE favorite. What people ব্যক্ত about her is that she is very complex, sympathetic, selfless, strong, caring, and is kickass. She is very inspiring.

- মুলান is so incredible! Why has it taken her this long to get the most votes? She is brave, smart, kind, loyal, and selfless. She is a developed, layered, complex character with so many attributes and a fair few flaws. She's a hero, but relatable, and an inspiration and role model. মুলান is perfect and I প্রণয় her so much. (rhythmicmagic)
- Third favorite. She's brave, heroic, such an amazing heroine. (anonheart998)


Even though Ariel is very popular, she has A LOT of haters as well; probably the same amount of haters as her fans, so she has mixed reception from the public. What people ব্যক্ত about Ariel is that she is extremely reckless, careless, selfish, inconsiderate, and an ungrateful brat.

- She is stupid, selfish, whiny and rude. She doesn't care about her family and friends. She is always rude and whines how she wants more, but actually did not have the guts to follow her dreams until she met Eric. He was the reason she left the sea and deserted her family, not her desire to go on land. Also she is probably one of the stupidest ডিজনি characters ever! She trusted a sea witch, who is known দ্বারা all to be evil! And I strongly believe that if she wasn't a mermaid, people wouldn't like her half as much. (BelleAnastasia)
- Sorry, but I hate her! Pretty ironic considering that I like her in the sequel and TV series. Anyway Ariel is really stupid, selfish, rude, immature, and whiny. The only good things I can say about her in the original movie is that she has a beautiful voice and I like how she saved the prince. Ariel was dumb for going to Ursula knowing that she was evil. She did that out of anger. She wasn't thinking about the consequences until it was the last day. Also her age is no excuse! Just because she's a teenager, doesn't mean she has to be so ignorant. I'm 17 and I make bad choices, but I wouldn't do something that stupid. Also I thought it was very rude of her to leave Sebastian while he was গান গাওয়া "Under the Sea" and leave while "Daughters of Triton". She could of at least done it at another time. She pretty much sold her soul for a vagina (uploaded900)


5. জুঁই (+7 points)/Pocahontas (+5 points)
Jasmine has her fair share of fans, haters, and people who just put her in the ok section. She is never amongst the least পছন্দ princesses অথবা the পছন্দ princesses, so her being close to the middle is kind of expected. What people like about her is that she is amongst the sassiest and flirty-est of the princesses, strong (in some ways), confident, opinionated and defends herself and the ones she loves.
[b]- She's not the protagonist, yet she is a most memorable character in the movie. So charismatic, with a lot of presence!


Um, I don't know why it doesn't appear, but I voted for Jasmine. I'm sure I voted before the closing time. (Popcornfan)
- She's awesome! (BelleAnastacia)



Pocahontas is always in the middle of these types of countdowns, as she is never amongst the পছন্দ অথবা least favorites. From what people have ব্যক্ত about her is that they did not like her after they met John Smith, since she "loses her personality"; okay. They ব্যক্ত that her indecisiveness can also get annoying, but most just voted for her because they liked the others more. Some just found her to be confusing.

- Wow people really have very strong opinions about all of the princesses... I wish I could give a better reason for picking Pocahontas but the truth is that I just like the others better. I haven't got any problem with her (with none of them, actually). I thinks she's awesome; she's brave, strong, pretty and she prevented a freakin war! Like I said, I like her, I just like the others better. (Alexon31)
- I at least understand the flaws of the other princesses...Pocahontas tends to confuse me. (Swanpride)


6. Pocahontas (+6 points)/Cinderella (+6 points)
As usual, she is smack-dab in the middle. Even though her movie received mixed reviews since 1995, Pocahontas herself has received positive reception, and is ব্যক্ত দ্বারা many to be one of the best DP role models, but that does not mean that she is amongst a lot of people's শীর্ষ 3. What people liked about her is that she is layered (more than she is প্রদত্ত credit for), indecisive, curious and has a lot of contradicting traits, which makes her feel আরো human and relatable.

- She is an awesome princess! She is much আরো layered than what people say and probably the most unique ডিজনি princess. She is very obedient and gives a lot of respect towards her tribe. People say she just relies and grandmother willow when I take it as আরো of a thing that she is trying to gain leadership and wisdom. Pocahontas is curious and wants to look further than an average person. She doesn't want the boring old sports. She dives water falls! Pocahontas doesn't want to stay out of her tribe's problems, she wants to get involved and speak up but she does not like to argue a lot. I hate it when people think she is too preachy অথবা whatever because that was only to stop the war. Pocahontas is mature, but she does really know how to have fun. My পছন্দ scenes of hers was when she found out that her father came back and when John called her a savage. She really has আরো of a personality than people think and it just can't all be put into one comment. I adore her! (shanyuisboss)
- I প্রণয় Pocahontas!
I প্রণয় that she has so many contradicting traits, like how she can be mature and childish, strong and unsure, wise and reckless, respectful and disobedient. I প্রণয় how accepting she is of other people, and that she judges the Englishmen individually based on character and not all the same. I প্রণয় her fire. She is mischievous, playful, and very spirited. Her flaws just make me adore her even more! She's adventurous and I প্রণয় every aspect of her character! (rhythmicmagic)



When it comes to being disliked, she has never had a big groups of haters, but she has never been one of the immediate পছন্দ either. From what people have ব্যক্ত is just that they liked the remaining others better. Literally. I guess she is just in the middle for a lot of people.

- I admire সিন্ড্রেলা a lot, and I explained many times why. But I like the others better. (shanyuisboss)
- Out of these. (fiina)


7. Tiana (+5 points)/Rapunzel (+7 points)
When Tiana came out in 2009, her movie was a modest success, but a lot of people liked her.... just not আরো than the other princesses. She is always referred to as of the best DP role মডেল সমাহার as well, and she really has no haters, just people who are indifferent towards her. People ব্যক্ত that they liked that she was hopeful, determined, sassy, independent, and resourceful. They found her to be an intelligent woman.

- I প্রণয় her! She's so determined and hopeful ♥ (MissAngelPaws)
- I don't think she's a stick in the mud, she is just trying to live her dream. And she has a fun, sassy side too. (shanyuisboss)



Rapunzel is দ্বারা far one of the most hated princess (the exact opposite), and I was shocked that she left this countdown so early. People like her okay, but the people who voted against her found her to be a bit too annoying at times, and found her to be just okay and nothing special.

- I like her, but she can sometimes be annoying. (BelleAnastacia)
- My last. Personally I think she's okay. She's simple and kind, but sometimes I get annoyed দ্বারা অনুরাগী who overrated her. (LightningRed)


8. Cinderella(+4 points)/Tiana (+8 points)
A lot of people were sad that none of the classic princesses made it to the শীর্ষ 5. Even though সিন্ড্রেলা is the সেকেন্ড ডিজনি Princess, she is the Leader and Frontwoman of the princesses, and appears on the most m merchandise, so she is popular.. just not as much as the others. What people liked about her is that she is nice, but can get irritated and a bit sarcastic/aggressive. They found her to be patient, and level-headed.

- These are all my least favorites. সিন্ড্রেলা is my 8th favorite, but I প্রণয় her! She is much stronger than people think and is not a doormat. People expect her to be a cleaning machine and still have strength to stand up for herself. And just because the movie shows a sense of reality that sometimes no matter how hard আপনি try it won't work, people assume it's because she doesn't try hard enough even though she has suffered from years of physical abuse. And yes, we do see her get annoyed many times from tremaine. (shanyuisboss)
- It makes me upset that the *ONLY* Princess all three classics could beat was Merida... seriously. (Mongoose09)



Like what I have stated about Tiana in the পছন্দ category applied here too. They like and admire her, but just like the others a lot আরো (this goes for the ones that did vote for her). What people have ব্যক্ত about her in the past is that she is a bit too serious, and is not very fun to watch.


- I like her, but not as much as I like/love the others. (anonheart998)
- Belle, জুঁই and মুলান are my শীর্ষ 3 পছন্দ princesses :) I like Tiana, but I find her boring sometimes. (BelleAnastacia)


9. Snow White(+3 points)/Jasmine (+9 points)
Even though she is one of the least পছন্দ princesses, she is the 1st, so she is for sure the most important, and will always be in majority of the merchandise. What people like about her is that she is nice, kind, kind of manipulative, fun, adorable, and a bit bossy. People REALLY did not want Merida to beat her

- Come on, a classic needs to leave six rounds ago!
I প্রণয় Snow, she's so cute and optimistic, how can her sweetness not make আপনি fall in প্রণয় with her, but she also is really sassy and I প্রণয় how she tells the dwarfs what they have to do before they can eat in their own house! That's something that could really annoy me in any other character, but with Snow White, it just makes her even greater! (rhythmicmagic)
- She's such an adorable character, there's no one like her. (Mongoose09)



People have been voting her out for so many rounds, but there was always 1 person who had আরো votes. What people did not like about her is that she is a spoiled, selfish brat who does not anything. They also ব্যক্ত that she did not do anything for herself and is a hypocrite, as she hates the damsel in distress archetype, but acts like that a lot of times.

- She's kinda annoying... Though I do like her. She's number 10 on my list, only Merida is lower than her... I hate Merida :P (hatelarxene)
- Agree with milky-way, she's all "I'm not a prize to be won," but then lets আলাদীন treat her like one. She's a hypocrite and just unfair at times, আলাদীন was only agreeing with what she was saying, but then she gets mad at him for it. জুঁই is just so wrong in so many situations. (rhythmicmagic)


10. Aurora(+2 points)/Mulan (+10 points)
Aurora had to fight to avoid being dead last, but she came up শীর্ষ in the final round. She is seen in a lot of merchandise, and is the last princess Walt ডিজনি worked on, so her and her movie will always be remembered. What people ব্যক্ত about her is that she is classy, elegant, nice, animal lover, selfless, adorable, sweet and kind. It also helps that a majority of Fanpoppers dislike Merida.

- It pains me that Aurora is fighting for last....Aurora is such a lovely character.... (dclairmont)
- I can't believe Merida won. Aurora has her share of fans, small they might be, but I almost never hear anyone say they প্রণয় Merida.

Aurora is a better character and কুইন material দ্বারা far. I liked what Merida did in the end, but people like and remember her for the snarling, duty-shirking tomboy she was, not for her good deed. I প্রণয় that Aurora actually went to the castle. (AudreyFreak)



Mulan is fairly জনপ্রিয় on ফ্যানপপ and all over the world (despite rarely being om merchandise). There was no negative মতামত about her, and she got the vote because the voters just liked the 1st place princess better. This round was extremely close though.

- i like Mulan, but i prefer Belle (Mongoose09)
- It's the movie...I think if her movie had been a little bit আরো "grabbing" at parts, মুলান would be in my শীর্ষ three, too...as it is, she is fourth. (Swanpride)


11. Merida(+1 points)/Belle (+11 points)
The princess who joined literally a week পূর্বে has earned her spot as being dead last. This was such a surprise.... not really. She gets A LOT আরো hate than any other princess, and there is rarely a positive thing ব্যক্ত about her. In the final round, the voters ব্যক্ত they liked her আরো than Aurora, but Aurora still got herself out of dead last, unlike Merida.

- দ্বারা far (retrolove83)
- দ্বারা FAR (KataraLover)



Belle has won herself the শীর্ষ spot, unsurprisingly. Even though she won, she did not escape having a few negative things ব্যক্ত about her, as some called her a bit bland and uninteresting. Nonetheless, with her HUGE fanbase behind her, she was able to beat out Mulan.

- Belle is way better than people give her credit for (or at least have been,) but she's still not especially interesting. Mulan, on the other hand, is amazing! (rhythmicmagic)
- Belle is my পছন্দ ডিজনি princess, so of course I pick Mulan.


Rankings Countdown Results
11. Merida +1 pts
10. Snow White +2 pts
9. Aurora +3 pts
8. Tiana +4 pts
7. সিন্ড্রেলা +5 pts
6. Pocahontas +6 pts
5. জুঁই +7 pts
4. Ariel +8 pts
3. Rapunzel +9 pts
2. Belle +10 pts
1. মুলান +11 pts

Poll Countdown Results
11. Merida +1 pts
10. Snow White +2 pts
9. Aurora +3 pts
8. Ariel +4 pts
7. Pocahontas +5 pts
6. সিন্ড্রেলা +6 pts
5. Rapunzel +7 pts
4. Tiana +8 pts
3. জুঁই +9 pts
2. মুলান +10 pts
1. Belle +11 pts

Poll Countdown Results
11. Merida +1 pts
10. Aurora +2 pts
9. Snow White +3 pts
8. সিন্ড্রেলা +4 pts
7. Tiana +5 pts
6. Pocahontas +6 pts
5. জুঁই +7 pts
4. মুলান +8 pts
3. Rapunzel +9 pts
2. Ariel +10 pts
1. Belle +11 pts

Overall Results
11.
 Merida (3 points)
Merida (3 points)

10.
 Snow White (7 points)
Snow White (7 points)

9.
 Aurora (8 points)
Aurora (8 points)

8.
 সিন্ড্রেলা (15 points)
Cinderella (15 points)

6.
 Pocahontas (17 poins)
Pocahontas (17 poins)
 Tiana (17 poitns)
Tiana (17 poitns)

5.
 Ariel (22 points)
Ariel (22 points)

4.
 জুঁই (23 points)
Jasmine (23 points)

3.
 Rapunzel (25 points)
Rapunzel (25 points)

2.
 মুলান (29 points)
Mulan (29 points)

1.
 Belle (32 points)
Belle (32 points)


Thank everybody for participating in my 3 part accuracy countdown, and for পাঠ করা the articles. মতামত below about the rankings, results, and the princesses.
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O = Original
R = Remake
O and R = Original and Remake

Favorite Aurora
O 7
R 1

I didn't get much of an explaination as to why most people preferred to the original over the remake, the only explainations I got was one person ব্যক্ত they thought that Elle Fanning's অভিনয় was stiff for some of the...
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Some people say he's forgettable but I think people automatically dismiss him just because he's not dramatic, theatrical and "hammy" like other ডিজনি villains. I personally think he's pretty badass and ruthless.

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Hi guys, this তালিকা is something like the K-Pop তালিকা that I made previously. Only this time, it's their Japanese counterparts. Ready?

1) Moonlight Densetsu (DALI)

Taken from the জনপ্রিয় Japanese anime, Sailor Moon. This song has always been part of my childhood and being a Die-Hard Sailor Moon fan, the princess will support them, especially on International Women's Day!

2) Shunken Sentimental (Scandal)

This is the first time that I'm listening to it, and while doing so, I notice that it sounds like some of Paramore's songs. In particularly, Misery Business.

3) Hitohira No Hanabira (Stereopony)

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Well, I'm here to প্রদর্শনী my reasons why I like Frozen’s Princess Anna (who is hated দ্বারা some and loved দ্বারা others). But, let's go to my reasons:
First that she is an active and emotionally strong character (yes, she may not fight with swords অথবা bows like Merida অথবা মুলান that are among my favorites, অথবা have ice powers like Elsa), but she did admirable things throughout the movie like going after her sister who was isolated (even though she knew she could die from her uncontrollable powers অথবা lost/hungry/frozen) and did not give up on her when she asked for it. And I admire this type of female...
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Name: Maria.

Birthdate July 22nd of 1997, the দিন when Irene Bedard ( the voice actress of Pocahontas and one of my most admired people) turned thirty.

Location - Ukraine. Not the most prosperous country in the world but I hope I will live there forever. Being forced to leave my country অথবা even my district is one of my biggest fears.

Hobbies: reading, লেখা stories, searching the Internet, listening to music, philosophizing, learning about other's opinion on different topics.

Favorite ডিজনি film: Pocahontas. It is and it will always be.
I also প্রণয় Tarzan, Hercules, Princess and the Frog,...
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Note: ফ্রোজেন is owned দ্বারা Disney.

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Elsa asked "What's going on?"

Anna replied "It's been reported that some স্বর্ণ nearby has stolen."

Elsa stated "Well I'm sure the police will take care of it."

Anna ব্যক্ত "Instead of just waiting for নায়ক to come save the স্বর্ণ we should be the heroes."

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Princess Anna and কুইন Elsa were relaxing in the living room of the kingdom. Anna asked "Do আপনি miss swimming?"

Elsa ব্যক্ত "Well I guess I do."

Anna ব্যক্ত "Well my related friend I have a answer to your problem."

Elsa ব্যক্ত "Problem?"

Anna ব্যক্ত "Yes. We haven't swam in months, but don't worry. I found a private lake near the kingdom that'll be perfect for us."

Elsa ব্যক্ত "Are sure it's a private lake? I don't wanna share a lake with like 50 people."

Anna ব্যক্ত "Don't worry. I've been to this lake...
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ফ্রোজেন is a 2013 animated ডিজনি film that has become slightly জনপ্রিয় if আপনি consider slightly জনপ্রিয় to mean a worldwide hit beloved দ্বারা millions of people. It has become 1 of the most জনপ্রিয় animated films ever made as well as the most successful in theaters. Because of all that there's several people that think the film is overrated as well as people who thinks it's 1 of the best films ever made. This film is about what I think of the film.

Plot/Writing

People say that the film is about the 2 main women (Anna and Elsa). ফ্রোজেন is actually about several different things. There's Anna and...
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Good day, everyone! I decided to write my opinion about each princess( except Moana because I didn't watch the movie and have personal reasons not to watch it, sorry). It would be difficult for me to rank all princesses so I'll give আপনি only my TOP-4. The rest won't be ranked, just characterised দ্বারা me. Please, respect my opinion and don't write angry comments.

The princesses who are not in my TOP-4 ( যেভাবে খুশী order) and why

Elsa

Elsa is relatable but I prefer admirable princesses to relatable ones. I really dislike Let it Go and its message, I really dislike Elsa's Snow কুইন outfit and overall...
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 I'll never forgot the memories I had with it till দিন I die.
I'll never forgot the memories I had with it till day I die.
Today is the third Sunday of a new school year, which is exactly three years sine I became a অনুরাগী of Frozen. As a result, I wanted to celebrate it, দ্বারা লেখা down my entire history regarding this movie, and how it changed my life, forever.

Now, I will only write down the parts where it impacted me, and how it changed me.

Before we start, wanted to put a disclaimer that this প্রবন্ধ will get personal, and even kind of depressing in some parts. Also, if আপনি read my পূর্ববর্তি articles, then you're mostly familiar with my history. The majority of this প্রবন্ধ will include things I've already said...
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