Okay so I've had this idea in my head for a long time... pretty much since I did the "8 Reasons to ship Jate" article. This is kinda the same thing, just a little updated with আরো reasons and some reasons why people should ship Jate instead of Skate. Now I don't mean to offend anyone with the points I make about the Kate/Sawyer relationship, each to their own :)
10. Jack & Kate have a story, Sawyer & Kate have... er...
Way back in the pilot episode (I know, seems like a million years ago, eh? :P) when Kate stumbled out of the jungle and saw Jack, it became clear right there and then that they were going to be THE couple of the show. The ultimate couple. There'd just been a plane crash, so you'd think the writers would be focusing on that. But the fact that they wanted to fit in a scene between these two characters showed that what was to become of them both was going to be VERY important; almost crucial to the show. It wasn't Sawyer that Kate stumbled out of the jungle to meet, it was Jack. Kate and Sawyer didn't even meet in the pilot episode. One of the most important factors in shipping a couple (for me, at least, lol) is to have loved them from the very start, to see their story develop.
9. "I have always been with you." vs... oh no wait, স্কেইট doesn't have ANY quote like that
When Kate ব্যক্ত that she'd always been with him in The Little Prince it summarized that she actually has always been with him. They were practically glued to each other in Season one. If there was a hike in the jungle; a meeting with the Others; a trip out to the Black Rock... they were ALWAYS together. Throughout most of the seasons not only has Kate been with Jack, when she hasn't been with Jack she's been worrying about him, wondering where he is, how he is. I don't remember Kate screaming out Sawyer's name in the pilot, do you?
8. The Looks.
In all the স্কেইট scenes I have watched I have never seen Kate look at Sawyer the way she looks at Jack. There's something about the way she looks at Jack that's just... indescribable. Through most of Season 1 & 2, if I remember correctly (I try to block out some Sawyer/Kate stuff LOL!) Kate looked at Sawyer with pure disgust. There's no denying it. Take for example the 1x08 Confidence Man scene, when Sawyer comes out of the water naked (*squee*). That's been described দ্বারা some SK shippers as such a chemistry filled scene. Ok, WTF? If that's eye sex then wow, shoot me, I've been getting it wrong all these years! lol. Kate and Jack not only have eye sex - er, House of the Rising Sun, anyone? - but they have emotion. Whether that be angst; love; lust; they just understand each other with one look.
7. JEX!
Okay so the main thing that Skaters প্রণয় about স্কেইট is the "hotness" and the sex scenes, right? Even if I was -shudders at the thought- a Skater, the sex scenes would be my least favourite about them. Any time that Sawyer and Kate had sex, it wasn't because Kate actually wanted to. The first case of this was the 3x06 infamous cage sex. Kate ব্যক্ত herself that the only reason she had sex with him was because she thought he was going to die. That kinda sucks for Sawyer but hey, there it is lol. The পরবর্তি example would be the scene from 3x17. After Kate saw Jack and Juliet together, she ran off into Sawyer's tent in tears and seduced him; not out of love, passion অথবা "chemistry". Out of jealousy. In that one instant that Kate saw Jack with Juliet, it should have been a clear cut sign to anyone with a brain that it's JACK that she wanted, not Sawyer. Anyway, moving on... JEEEX! Ok I think all I have to mention here is SNBH. I loved the way Jack was with Kate in that episode, which leads me onto the পরবর্তি point.
6. She. Said. YES!
Jack proposed. Kate cried. Kate ব্যক্ত yes. They hugged. There's not much to say about SK for this point, but it needed to be added since it's a major reason. No one can honestly say that if Sawyer had of proposed she would have ব্যক্ত yes. Because it's not him that she loves and wants to have a family with. It's Jack! *Skips off happily ever after*
5. Opposites attract.
It's the ultimate, twisted scenario of opposites attract! Surgeon meets fugitive. What I প্রণয় about their relationship is how completely different they are yet they still manage to make it work. Sure, having differences can sometimes make Jack and Kate fight (5x11 being the most সাম্প্রতিক example of that :/) but it's what they bring out in each other that counts. Jack brings out the very best side of Kate and vice versa. Fugitive + fugitive = surely not good, at the most? Quite simply, Jate complete each other without having the same parts, if আপনি will xP
4. "Jack's a keeper. Sawyer's a... fun weekend."
Yup, those were the words of Josh Holloway. Now I'm not being judgemental here, because I haven't talked to many Skaters properly and those I have I haven't really discussed this with them. I truly believe that most people who ship SK only ship them because they are in প্রণয় with Sawyer, অথবা Sawyer's character at least. And I'll admit, he's pretty damn gorgeous! And funny! But when you're shipping a couple, it should be about both of them. Maybe that's why 80% of Skaters jumped ship as soon as Suliet came along, because they'll go with anything that Sawyer goes with. And, hey, that's fine দ্বারা me... it leads right into my পরবর্তি reason. Jack IS a keeper. আপনি just know that Kate won't stray anywhere else, she'll always be with Jack. Sawyer's fun, but he's not permanant, and that's probably why it's so much easier to just go with whatever he goes with. আপনি can imagine Jate settling down, having Jabies -sighs at the thought-, getting married. আপনি can't imagine that with Kate and Sawyer, because like I said, they bring out the worst in one another, imo. Hence why Sawyer and Juliet work so well :)
3. Meaningful vs. MeaningLESS
Now this kinda লিঙ্ক to reason 9. I don't know if anyone else has picked up on this at all, but Jate's dialogue, i.e their conversations together; the things they say to each other etc, are a LOT better than Skate's. And in my opinion, better than any other couple's on the show. When আপনি ask a Jater what their favourite Jate উদ্ধৃতি are, there's an unlimited choice because there's so many amazing ones. On the other hand with SK and those who ship Skate, their definition of great উদ্ধৃতি is Sawyer giving Kate a snappy line and Kate sighing, lol. They never have any meaning to them, especially on Kate's part. Examples of some Sawyer/Kate quotes:
Sawyer: What's for dinner, hon?
Kate: Not now, Sawyer.
Sawyer: আপনি bet. How about আপনি come a little closer and warm me up?
Kate: আপনি sure know how to make a girl feel special, Sawyer.
Sawyer: So why don't আপনি tell me...
Kate: Because I don't trust you.
...And they were the "good" ones! lol. And now for some Jate quotes:
Kate: I'm sorry I kissed you.
Jack: I'm not.
Kate: And then আপনি weren't afraid anymore. And then it was just gone. And আপনি fixed her, আপনি saved her.
Jack: I need আপনি to make me a promise, Kate.
Kate: Jack-
Jack: Promise me that you'll never come back here for me. Don't come back, Kate.
Kate: It was NOT all misery!
Jack: Enough of it was.
So see in comparison, there's always that little edge to what they say. That thing that আপনি can't put your finger on but know is there.
2. What about them?
"And what about us? We just going on living our lives because... we've never met." Yep, I died when Kate started crying :( আপনি see with Jate, it really wasn't all misery. Far from it. And even then, the misery that they went through, they faced it together. In a way they kept each other sane, lol. If Jack's plan worked and all of their history gets erased, it'd be devastating for us Jaters. But if Sawyer and Kate's history got erased, well... what difference would it make? It's almost as though স্কেইট have just had one emotion throughout all of their scenes; a combination of lust and, well, emptiness. Sawyer's feelings were most likely genuine, but Kate's? No. So yeah, if their, erm, "history" got erased, nobody would lose any sleep over it. The Sawyer/Kate thing was just a tiny obstacle that Jate had to overcome. Part of their history.
1. "They have struggled to survive together. They have faced the unspeakable together. Chance has separated them. Nothing in the world will keep them apart."
...Not even a cowboy called Sawyer :P
Thanks for পাঠ করা guys!
10. Jack & Kate have a story, Sawyer & Kate have... er...
Way back in the pilot episode (I know, seems like a million years ago, eh? :P) when Kate stumbled out of the jungle and saw Jack, it became clear right there and then that they were going to be THE couple of the show. The ultimate couple. There'd just been a plane crash, so you'd think the writers would be focusing on that. But the fact that they wanted to fit in a scene between these two characters showed that what was to become of them both was going to be VERY important; almost crucial to the show. It wasn't Sawyer that Kate stumbled out of the jungle to meet, it was Jack. Kate and Sawyer didn't even meet in the pilot episode. One of the most important factors in shipping a couple (for me, at least, lol) is to have loved them from the very start, to see their story develop.
9. "I have always been with you." vs... oh no wait, স্কেইট doesn't have ANY quote like that
When Kate ব্যক্ত that she'd always been with him in The Little Prince it summarized that she actually has always been with him. They were practically glued to each other in Season one. If there was a hike in the jungle; a meeting with the Others; a trip out to the Black Rock... they were ALWAYS together. Throughout most of the seasons not only has Kate been with Jack, when she hasn't been with Jack she's been worrying about him, wondering where he is, how he is. I don't remember Kate screaming out Sawyer's name in the pilot, do you?
8. The Looks.
In all the স্কেইট scenes I have watched I have never seen Kate look at Sawyer the way she looks at Jack. There's something about the way she looks at Jack that's just... indescribable. Through most of Season 1 & 2, if I remember correctly (I try to block out some Sawyer/Kate stuff LOL!) Kate looked at Sawyer with pure disgust. There's no denying it. Take for example the 1x08 Confidence Man scene, when Sawyer comes out of the water naked (*squee*). That's been described দ্বারা some SK shippers as such a chemistry filled scene. Ok, WTF? If that's eye sex then wow, shoot me, I've been getting it wrong all these years! lol. Kate and Jack not only have eye sex - er, House of the Rising Sun, anyone? - but they have emotion. Whether that be angst; love; lust; they just understand each other with one look.
7. JEX!
Okay so the main thing that Skaters প্রণয় about স্কেইট is the "hotness" and the sex scenes, right? Even if I was -shudders at the thought- a Skater, the sex scenes would be my least favourite about them. Any time that Sawyer and Kate had sex, it wasn't because Kate actually wanted to. The first case of this was the 3x06 infamous cage sex. Kate ব্যক্ত herself that the only reason she had sex with him was because she thought he was going to die. That kinda sucks for Sawyer but hey, there it is lol. The পরবর্তি example would be the scene from 3x17. After Kate saw Jack and Juliet together, she ran off into Sawyer's tent in tears and seduced him; not out of love, passion অথবা "chemistry". Out of jealousy. In that one instant that Kate saw Jack with Juliet, it should have been a clear cut sign to anyone with a brain that it's JACK that she wanted, not Sawyer. Anyway, moving on... JEEEX! Ok I think all I have to mention here is SNBH. I loved the way Jack was with Kate in that episode, which leads me onto the পরবর্তি point.
6. She. Said. YES!
Jack proposed. Kate cried. Kate ব্যক্ত yes. They hugged. There's not much to say about SK for this point, but it needed to be added since it's a major reason. No one can honestly say that if Sawyer had of proposed she would have ব্যক্ত yes. Because it's not him that she loves and wants to have a family with. It's Jack! *Skips off happily ever after*
5. Opposites attract.
It's the ultimate, twisted scenario of opposites attract! Surgeon meets fugitive. What I প্রণয় about their relationship is how completely different they are yet they still manage to make it work. Sure, having differences can sometimes make Jack and Kate fight (5x11 being the most সাম্প্রতিক example of that :/) but it's what they bring out in each other that counts. Jack brings out the very best side of Kate and vice versa. Fugitive + fugitive = surely not good, at the most? Quite simply, Jate complete each other without having the same parts, if আপনি will xP
4. "Jack's a keeper. Sawyer's a... fun weekend."
Yup, those were the words of Josh Holloway. Now I'm not being judgemental here, because I haven't talked to many Skaters properly and those I have I haven't really discussed this with them. I truly believe that most people who ship SK only ship them because they are in প্রণয় with Sawyer, অথবা Sawyer's character at least. And I'll admit, he's pretty damn gorgeous! And funny! But when you're shipping a couple, it should be about both of them. Maybe that's why 80% of Skaters jumped ship as soon as Suliet came along, because they'll go with anything that Sawyer goes with. And, hey, that's fine দ্বারা me... it leads right into my পরবর্তি reason. Jack IS a keeper. আপনি just know that Kate won't stray anywhere else, she'll always be with Jack. Sawyer's fun, but he's not permanant, and that's probably why it's so much easier to just go with whatever he goes with. আপনি can imagine Jate settling down, having Jabies -sighs at the thought-, getting married. আপনি can't imagine that with Kate and Sawyer, because like I said, they bring out the worst in one another, imo. Hence why Sawyer and Juliet work so well :)
3. Meaningful vs. MeaningLESS
Now this kinda লিঙ্ক to reason 9. I don't know if anyone else has picked up on this at all, but Jate's dialogue, i.e their conversations together; the things they say to each other etc, are a LOT better than Skate's. And in my opinion, better than any other couple's on the show. When আপনি ask a Jater what their favourite Jate উদ্ধৃতি are, there's an unlimited choice because there's so many amazing ones. On the other hand with SK and those who ship Skate, their definition of great উদ্ধৃতি is Sawyer giving Kate a snappy line and Kate sighing, lol. They never have any meaning to them, especially on Kate's part. Examples of some Sawyer/Kate quotes:
Sawyer: What's for dinner, hon?
Kate: Not now, Sawyer.
Sawyer: আপনি bet. How about আপনি come a little closer and warm me up?
Kate: আপনি sure know how to make a girl feel special, Sawyer.
Sawyer: So why don't আপনি tell me...
Kate: Because I don't trust you.
...And they were the "good" ones! lol. And now for some Jate quotes:
Kate: I'm sorry I kissed you.
Jack: I'm not.
Kate: And then আপনি weren't afraid anymore. And then it was just gone. And আপনি fixed her, আপনি saved her.
Jack: I need আপনি to make me a promise, Kate.
Kate: Jack-
Jack: Promise me that you'll never come back here for me. Don't come back, Kate.
Kate: It was NOT all misery!
Jack: Enough of it was.
So see in comparison, there's always that little edge to what they say. That thing that আপনি can't put your finger on but know is there.
2. What about them?
"And what about us? We just going on living our lives because... we've never met." Yep, I died when Kate started crying :( আপনি see with Jate, it really wasn't all misery. Far from it. And even then, the misery that they went through, they faced it together. In a way they kept each other sane, lol. If Jack's plan worked and all of their history gets erased, it'd be devastating for us Jaters. But if Sawyer and Kate's history got erased, well... what difference would it make? It's almost as though স্কেইট have just had one emotion throughout all of their scenes; a combination of lust and, well, emptiness. Sawyer's feelings were most likely genuine, but Kate's? No. So yeah, if their, erm, "history" got erased, nobody would lose any sleep over it. The Sawyer/Kate thing was just a tiny obstacle that Jate had to overcome. Part of their history.
1. "They have struggled to survive together. They have faced the unspeakable together. Chance has separated them. Nothing in the world will keep them apart."
...Not even a cowboy called Sawyer :P
Thanks for পাঠ করা guys!
MEGAUBERFANTASTIC
I love this!
LOL hotgod, it's beyond me xD
Sawyer: What's for dinner, hon?
Kate: Not now, Sawyer.
Kate: I'm sorry I kissed you.
Jack: I'm not.
both quotes so short and one of the best from each couple.
That's kinda ironic, isn't it? he Skate one is like "Gahh.. Not him again.." while the Jate one is actually about their love. So STFU! ;)
I still really want to know what people think are so great about Skate exept for the fact that they look hot together. To me they seem more like an AU couple than a real couple.
It`s more like meaningless pornography than anything else.
Oh em gee I love you Eliza! lol
Well,I love you too!<3
Neither do I!
no, wait, that's two words
great article.and good point as well!
I absolutely agree...
Oh and thanks to whoever rated it low... I'm guessing it wasn't a Jater xD
oh,babe don`t get it personal.It`s most probably some sad little skater with no life.:(
Well,go skateboard, you freak!
SO true!! :D
thanks Mais! Where've you been love?!
and thank you Filipa ♥
& this article totally deserves full 5*, but apparently some lame skaters rated it low. :[
Jack/Kate are simply meant to be!
Umm..that was NOT in the pilot.(;
It was actually... it was in Pilot pt2. But the point I was making, natalie898, was that Sawyer and Kate didn't get a REAL meeting. Jack and Kate met whilst they were alone, they shared TWO private conversations and introduced themselves.
I believe the first time Kate and Sawyer 'saw' each other was when Sawyer was fighting with Sayid and Kate/Jack/some others had to break up the fight. I'm sorry but you just CANNOT count that as a meeting.
All of these so called "reasons" are just opinions...
I am watching LOST for the first time right now. Since the first episode I've been rooting for Jake & Kate to be together. I don't know if Jate will be together in the end but even if they don't, I still think they are way better than Sawyer & Kate.
Still hoping everything turns out good :D
Well ... I do not really like that argument about having the first scene,just because in the first episodes they were really close,don't mean anything.And yes,she was rough with Sawyer in the beginning,but when she realize they are so alike,they actually,start a strong friendship.
Right in season 1,Jack said the island were a second chance for all of them,to start over,but I few moments later he is forcing her all time to tell who she is-remember that plane toy?How he screams with her to tell him the truth and makes her cry.With Sawyer is different he understands her and respect,the way she tell him in a camp fire,no pressure at all.
And they have hundred of moments just Skate,I will just tell one,when Kate got back from the others to way he immediately is relieved and she hugs him and looks like she can finally relax and fell safe.
I really believe that her relationship with Jack was important to realize the "good husband" is not someone with a good job or anything is someone who you truly love.We can see since the season 2 her struggle in not accepting her feelings for James,because of the story of her mother and father,Wayne,when her mom could be with the "right man" that was from the military force,but her mother loved Wayne and nothing really matter.So when she said- in the episode of the horse-"I will never be good,I will never have anything good.And every time I looked at Sawyer,every time,every time I feel something for him I see you,Wayne" for it is clear that she does have feelings for him,but she doesn't want too "We don't choose who we love,Katherine" so after Sawyer is recover she and him became really really close,and she flirts back.In season 3,when they finally consumed their relationship and they left Jack she is feeling guilt because she is afraid of having a bad relationship like her mother had,so she puts him away.
In that time she had a relationship with Jack,he became the exactly the person she didn't want to have a relationship with-drinking and screaming at her.Then she is back in the island,she notice that James is the kind a person that works in a relationship.
I really believe Kate and Sawyer had an awesome relationship after they left the island. Remember in season 4 when Sawyer form the chopper,Kate and Sawyer kissed and,Kate and Jack end up together.In season 6 happens the same thing,Jack and Kate kiss,Sawyer and Kate jump in the water together.
So this are my reasons to ship Skate...and not Jate.
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