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DO আপনি AGREE

Do আপনি agree with these points:
1) Trans* women. Do আপনি think just because they have male genitalia/breasts they're any less of a woman? Why? অথবা why not?
2) Women don't HAVE to have boobs and a vagina to be considered women.
-Give reasons for your opinions.
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bri-marie said:
Women are not defined দ্বারা their genitalia, and there is no such thing as a person being "more of a woman" অথবা "less of a woman" than someone else.

Women are defined দ্বারা themselves. If someone with a penis and testicles says they are a woman, they are a woman. If a person with a vagina says they are a man, then they're a man. Gender is not a static, physical attribute -- it's a fluid sociological concept.
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Absolutely, 100% agreed.
whiteflame55 posted বছরখানেক আগে
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Then,How can we point out the difference between them দ্বারা merely observing their physical appearance?
Nick16 posted বছরখানেক আগে
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Both bri-marie and misanthrope have hit the right points here, but I'd like to respond to the whole gold/silver thing. Humans aren't minerals, and gender identity has nothing to do with physical appearance. Sex does. Sex is used to define what someone is biologically. Gender is, as bri-marie said, a social construct.
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retrolove83 said:
yes they do
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...yes they do what?
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whiteflame55 said:
It depends on how আপনি define what a woman is. Is being a woman a result of sexual characteristics? Is it a result of certain hormone levels? অথবা is it an identity intrinsic to the person that goes beyond physical manifestations?

Women who go through transgender surgeries are trying to make what they look like on the outside mirror how they feel on the inside. They don't perceive themselves as being the right sex - their gender identity doesn't match what they look like. So they change those physical characteristics, they get hormone injections, and their mentality stays the same. They, for all intensive purposes, are a sterile man now.

I think the way this প্রশ্ন is phrased perceives the situation as different. They're becoming "less of a woman" rather than a man. The point of getting these surgeries is to change sexes, not to become less of one. My view is that when they make this decision and go through with it, they are no longer women.

The সেকেন্ড point is separate from the first. It equates two specific physical characteristics with sexual identity. I'd say neither breasts nor vagina are required for someone to be considered a woman, though they are major sex characteristics of women. If a woman doesn't have those things and still retains the gender identity of a woman, they can be considered a woman. It goes beyond those characteristics.

The way these two points interact is strange to me. Women undergoing transgender surgeries don't want to be a woman anymore. They're spurning that portion of their identity in favor of another. To say that they're still women after getting that surgery degrades their efforts, and forces them to stick with the sex they were প্রদত্ত at birth. I think the wider community can change its perception of someone willing to go to this extent.
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hetalianstella said:
Firstly, there is no true definition to what is masculine and feminine. The only definition is what lies in society's boundaries. When an infant male is born, most likely he is expected to be what society defines as "masculine", and is raised off of that. The same with females. If a male child wants to wear dresses, it shows he has remained mostly unaffected দ্বারা what society preaches to him. Odds are the majority of parents would refuse to buy their son a dress, and then go on to push "masculinity" further on the child. What specifically about a dress makes it "womanly"? A simple piece of clothing. Why does someone who wears one automatically আরো অথবা less of a woman অথবা man? Why do we let a piece of clothing categorize us when it comes to gender? It's ridiculous. If that was my child, I wouldn't hesitate to buy him that dress if it would make him happy.~
Yes, men and women have separate sets of genitalia defining what sex they are scientifically. But genitalia exists for reproduction, how exactly does that control anything else, especially one's mind set? Take these body parts away and what are আপনি left with? আপনি have that person's personality, how they act and what they feel. If body parts control how a person acts, then what about hermaphrodite people? Should they act with an equal mix of what society thinks is masculine and feminine simply because they were born with both male and female organs? অথবা because of what gender they look আরো like? No. They should act, feel, think, and define themselves as whatever they wish just like every other person on Earth. If আপনি say you're a woman অথবা man, then that's what আপনি are regardless of organs. And it is not anyone else's business অথবা right but your own to control that.
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Great post, definitely agree with আপনি here, hetalianstella.
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cassie-1-2-3 said:
For me, আপনি are defined দ্বারা your chromosomes. Nothing more, nothing less.

If an XY wants to express themselves in a femenine way, then that's completely fine, but I will not consider them a female, regardless of their clothes, hormones, hair, attitude, অথবা whatever.

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