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Can আপনি explain? অথবা at least try to? I don't understand.

Severus Snape's relationship with Lily Evans.

I understand that they were বন্ধু since they were kids, and stopped hanging out sometime in their 5th year.

I also know that he loved her his whole life.

But I want insight into that.

Why do আপনি think that he held on to her for so long?

Do আপনি think that he and Lily would have ended up together, had it not been for his mistake?

Do আপনি think she deserved that kind of loyalty from him?

and anything else আপনি want to add.
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bri-marie said:
I think he held on for several reasons. 1)That's just the type of person he is. He has trouble letting go of things (two years after the fact, he's still accusing Harry of stealing ingredients). And I think the আরো profound/hurtful/impactful things are just that much harder to let go of for him. And, personal feelings for Lily aside, she had a very profound, impact on his life.
2) Guilt. You'd be surprised at what guilt can make people do. And Severus had a lot to feel guilty about when it came to Lily.
3)I don't think he ever got the chance to come to terms and সরানো on from everything that happened. We know Dumbledore used Lily and his promise to Lily as a weapon, and we know Harry was a painful, constant reminder of everything that happened. I suppose আপনি could argue there was eleven years where he could have moved on, but we don't really know what those eleven years were like. Perhaps Dumbledore was still using Severus to keep track of the free Death Eaters. Perhaps he was still manipulating him to stay on board as a teacher. I, personally, think he used Severus' past to keep Severus away from the Dark Arts, and I don't think he kept that a secret from Severus.

JK ব্যক্ত that if Severus hadn't been so involved in the Dark Arts, Lily would have fallen for him. However, Severus' mistake had nothing to do with Dark Arts. I think that that is a প্রশ্ন that's really too complicated (and long!) to really say for sure. I think there's too many factors that would have to be taken out, switched around, and added in before it I could really say one way অথবা the other.

I don't particularly like Lily. I've never been shy about it, and I tend to be horribly biased when it comes to her. I've never been shy about that, either. So, personally, no, I don't think she deserved that kind of loyalty from him. All the canon evidence points to Lily being the type of person who extends a hand to those to need it most, and expect them to repay her দ্বারা being the type of person she wants them to be. I don't think she cared for Severus the way she claimed she did, and definitely not to the extent she claimed.
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posted বছরখানেক আগে 
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bri-marie, I can always count on আপনি to be spot on when it comes to প্রশ্ন like this. I don't even have to post my opinion, because আপনি pretty much nailed it. ;)
BlackHound posted বছরখানেক আগে
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Aw, thank you! :)
bri-marie posted বছরখানেক আগে
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Thanks guys!
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twilighter4evr said:
I think Severus knew that Lily was the only one he'd ever প্রণয় that there was no one else for him..as far as ending up together its possible if he didn't make the mistake but I think it would have been আরো possible if he were in her house so they could stay close through the years...when আপনি প্রণয় someone like he did Lily everything matters even if it means keeping her son নিরাপদ from the dark lord
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The funny thing is that people always say "if he were in her House", but remember what Horace Slughorn said? Lily could have been in Slytherin...now imagine that. ;)
BlackHound posted বছরখানেক আগে
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Severus got sorted into Slytherin before Lily 'chose' to be sorted into Gryffindor.She wasn't too fussed about being with him.More like she chose james over Severus right then.
midnightrose posted বছরখানেক আগে
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Yeah, I know, but my point was that it could just as easily have gone the other way...
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snapeislove said:
Severus wasn't really happy when he's at home.
Lily was like his escape from that unhappy house he lives in. For a kid (that was Sev) who is rarely প্রদত্ত attention to, Lily's warmth is enough for him to hold on to. She was there when no else is.

I don't think they'd end up together. The mistake just justified how Lily wasn't that "there for him." But I am not saying Lily's bad অথবা anything. They both had their faults. If Severus didn't fancy Dark Arts and used it against his classmates for fun, Lily would have understood. If Lily had realized that Severus was highly embarrassed at THAT time,in front of his fellow "guys" then she'd have forgiven him. If Lily remembered that he's her best friend, and that their only 15 (just like the excuse everyone's been giving for James), then they would still be friends.


I think it's right that Snape was ever loyal to her.

What's not right is that he was never forgiven yet he held on.


That's all, I guess.
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There's no canon evidence that Severus EVER used Dark Magic against his classmates for fun. James and Sirius used magic against their classmates for fun, quite frequently, which makes what they were doing "Dark", but Lily refused to see it that way. With Severus, it was "guilt দ্বারা association"; the jackasses Severus hung out with (like Mulciber and Avery) used Dark spells for funsies.
BlackHound posted বছরখানেক আগে
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Indeed, BH, I'm with you. Severus was guilt of being বন্ধু with the wrong sort of people - still according to Lily.
LadyNottingham posted বছরখানেক আগে
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^Agreed, 100%.
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snapeinmymind said:
I don't understand Lily, I don't understand her decision to marry James. Maybe I will never do.
But one thing is clear to me: she did not deserve Severus Snape অথবা his প্রণয় for her. That is what I think.
I even can't tell আপনি why I have this aversion against her. Maybe it's because she was too blue-eyed to see James' natural, how he has treated Severus in younger years etc. I hate when people do things like that. It was unfair and I can never forgive James for that, just like Lily has not forgiven Severus. But that won't answer your question.

Just something আরো to add: In the movie they didn't প্রদর্শনী how Snape has called her mudblood and how desperate he stood infront of the portrait of the fat lady to appologize... I was so glad about it!!! It would have made it আরো difficult for me to understand things about his death. So they (mostly) have shown the good things and the good sides of Snape and that is what he deserves after all he has risked. His dead was for nothing.
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I wish they had actually put that in there; anyone that never read the book and only saw the last movie would wonder: wait a minute: here is snape and lily as kids, they're hanging out, james is mean to snape দ্বারা knocking his বই out of his hands; in the পরবর্তি scene there is lily and james kissing...how did that happen? its a big ?? like how did she end up with james, just watching those two scenes, and never having read the book..if they had kept in story why lily broke it off with him, would have made আরো sense..i've read the বই so i know, but a lot of people were confused..one min she's with sev, the পরবর্তি james is being an ass, the পরবর্তি she is স্নেহ চুম্বন james..oh well..
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